Montreal’s REM is something that has fascinated me since it was first opened, and I’ve only grown to like the project more after experiencing its first phase in person — which, from what I can tell, has been going pretty well.

A REM train gliding over Montreal.

In a lot of ways, it just does the things that any modern transit system should do — platform screen doors, bog-standard specifications, Wi-fi, etcetera — and it does these things with attractive stations, and trains.

In many ways though, what’s most exciting is what comes next; part of that is the extension of service under Mount Royal to points north, west, and eventually the airport; but it’s also about what the service will enable, how it will shape Montreal, what communities will pop up near stations, and as we are seeing with the development of the Peel basin — where entirely new stations will go.

Suffice to say, I think the REM, even when all 67 kilometres of it is operational, will be an organic network that will see not only a lot of passenger growth, but also pressure to expand further. While plans for the eastern REM line were killed, I think when the REM A is fully running and the annoyance of construction is over, people will realize that this was a mistake, and areas adjacent to the existing REM line may well be interested in new stations and potentially also extensions.

The interior of a REM train.

What’s interesting is that the automated nature of the system, alongside the majority of it being at grade or elevated, means that such additions are actually quite practical — Vancouver’s SkyTrain and to an even greater extent London’s DLR have both seen new stations and incremental branches and extensions that have turned modest initial lines into complex networks — often with expanded and redesigned stations to enable more capacity and additional connections. Given the REM when completed will be large enough to be considered a “network” in and of itself, I think that these type of interventions are likely in its future.

And because of this, I wanted to start what will likely be a long-running series on proposals as well as ideas on how the REM A can be expanded, with new branches, services, improvements to infrastructure, and perhaps even new trunks that allow the system to slowly expand to fulfill the role of what might have been other lettered lines, incrementally; as well as potential extensions to other transit services to connect them into the REM.

Some ideas I will talk about in subsequent articles include:

  • Bois Franc Station’s Future
  • More REM Branches south of the St. Laurent
  • REM Branches to Ville-Emard, Lasalle, Lachine and the Airport (from the south)
  • REM to the Plateau
  • REM to Central Laval
  • REM to Montreal North
  • Expanding REM Capacity
  • A Second REM Trunk (Pink Line, Plateau, Laval, Lachine)

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16 responses to “The Evolution of the REM: Series”

  1. I love REM, I’ve been using the south branch already, and I can’t wait for West Island to open, but I borrowed a car and went to check out the future stations and … they’re really odd lol. Past a certain point there’s basically zero proximity destinations to them besides the mall proper. It’s gonna be really interesting to see how it evolves as the bus networks are redesigned and future development occurs as it enters into contact with the stroad network and local NIMBYism that we already saw in those suburbs

    1. I agree, but ultimately it’s only one of three branches, and the Deux Montagnes line had decent ridership. TOD will be important as will feeder services.

  2. Francois Laforge Avatar
    Francois Laforge

    We missed you at Canadian Civil Alive! I love the REM but I do have 2 problems with it: (1) the truncation of the Mascouche line in order for the REM to take over the Mont-Royal tunnel. A necessary evil I know, but when I think of the sums invested to create the Mascouche line only to no longer have it terminate in the downtown core is frustrating.

    (2) The PPP nature of the REM. I don’t think public transit projects should be for-profit projects. There are not many highways that turn a profit, why do transit projects need to meet this requirement? A recent conference on public transit in Quebec allowed mayors of Quebec cities to show their frustration on how the ARTM’s fare structure is starving existing transit agencies in order to pay for the REM. There’s got to be a better way to get new projects off the ground without impacting the existing networks.

    1. 1) The Mascouche line being impacted should be almost a non consideration given its extremely low level of service

      2) PPP isn’t my preferred option, but it got something built and good service to be operated, this is not true of so many existing / planned services in QC

  3. San Diego’s Purple Line initially would’ve been similar to REM, except they cut frequencies from 5 min to 10 min, and they’d have stations only every 3 miles, even through dense areas.

    Their excuse is that they’ll have a BRT line paralleling the entire Purple Line, serving as a “local” service to the Purple Line.

    Why might this actually be a good idea, and if so, why hasn’t Montreal run BRT parallel to REM?

    1. Will it be automated?

      That doesn’t really make sense for a regional service especially if it doesn’t have parallel roads

      1. Don’t know if it’ll be automated. But the plan keeps getting worse–they’re considering interlining it with the LOSSAN Corridor with no commitment to even electrify. This is bad, because the Purple Line serves a similar purpose to Sydney Metro NW.

        The Purple Line connects University City, Kearny Mesa, and Mission Valley (the 3 biggest TOD mega-clusters) with all 3 existing LRT Lines and San Ysidro (the world’s busiest border crossing outside Asia). So that should generate a ton of short, local trips.

  4. ericpennellfad2cd9677 Avatar
    ericpennellfad2cd9677

    Great article!

    As someone who lives across the ile aux tourtes bridge (which is being replaced currently at a cost of $2.3B) I can’t help but think that it was an oversight (Or pressure from Local Mayors not to have the REM) to not continue the network off the island to Vaudreuil-Dorion (Population 46K) perhaps to the new hospital being built there. Saint- Lazare is also nearby with a population of 24K. I’ll agree with etienne that the station on the west island branch are a little odd, 200 parking places at Anse-a-L’orme, zero at Kirland will push many of us to Drive to Fairview or Des Sources. We’re very happy to have the west island line, but it seems to be ill-conceived.

    Hopefully the bus service from Vaudreuil train station to the REM will be helpful, we’re currently served by the Exo11 line with slow and infrequent service.

    1. I’d say start advocating for an extension!

    2. Michael 'Long Branch Mike' Olivier Avatar
      Michael ‘Long Branch Mike’ Olivier

      Staying at my cousin’s in Vaudreuil a few years ago, I rarely saw many people use its two Line 11 trains. Small data set I know, but if Exo could & would run its trains more frequently, ie hourly all day & weekends, it would see much more ridership, much more cost-effectively than REM automated metro in low density suburbs.

      1. Ridership is still low on EXO11, but so is the frequency, Saturdays are 4 trains per direction per day and Sunday is only 3. Agreed that it would be cheaper to run more EXO11 trains but that’s really a commuter line serving downtown vs the potential TOD and existing businesses along the REM route. Vaudreuil has built out a lot of density around the existing EXO station in the past few years, even high-rises, I believe it’s one of the fastest growing regions in Quebec and the new hospital will drive even more population nearby. The bridge is a big bottleneck currently as well and for the next 2-3 years.

  5. Eric Pennel, I was going to write the exact same thing – that it is foolish to not have incorporated a place for the REM on the rebuild of the Ile aux Tourtes bridge and for sure the population of Vaudreuil is still growing. It would be a long stretch between Anse-a-L’orme and wherever the first Vaudreuil station is, but this would allow the REM to reach its maximum speed for a good duration. And yes, have it go to the hospital and also the Exo train terminus since there is already a station there and high density residential nearby.

    1. They really ought to expand EXO service on the outer part of the line, and then link the REM into that

  6. Michael 'Long Branch Mike' Olivier Avatar
    Michael ‘Long Branch Mike’ Olivier

    Montréal & area have such a groundbreaking intermodal fare zone system for North America, yet little all day commuter rail service to take advantage of it. Exo commuter rail has so much potential to take cars off the crowded Island of Montréal bridges and save suburban residents hours in travelling every week vs driving, plus much less stress & cost.

  7. I don’t think that we should spam REM everywhere and do the same mistakes than with light by using it as a one mode fit for all trips solution. The REM make sense in the densest suburbs and where extending the metro wouldn’t make sense because of it’s low speed. So for me reviving the REM the l’est plan with some adjustments like a station connecting with the mascouche line and extent to rivière-des-prairies as well as a south shore REM should be the farthest extent of the REM. We shouldn’t overlook the current other modes operated in the Montréal region because the operators don’t do a good job right now. The reality is that the ARTM and STM just don’t have the means to really make tangible improvements to the service or do extension on their owns with the current provincial government. This is not to say that they shouldn’t do some serious reforms, but blaming only these agencies miss the bigger picture. So only focusing on REM extension to an extent that it even take over some EXO lines that could be upgraded to modern standards with decent services and are better fit for the job of serving distant suburbs is a mistake for me. Even metro extension make more sense in the core of the city, but again I’m not saying that we should do a complete overhaul of our construction system to build transit cheaply. The best cities in the world have different network that each reach a certain niche so for me the REM should stay in his role of serving not so distant suburbs while EXO take the role of a true regional network when we actually put the money at the provincial government to make it better. The REM was partially only possible because it avoid the provincial government to pay the full price so maybe we should look at the broader problem of political will instead of blaming EXO every time even if it have a lot ( I mean a LOT) of problems.

  8. @reecemartintransit I'm really looking forward to the rest of this one

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