I love Montreal, and I think the city has one of the best transit networks in North America. The beautiful stations and trains of the metro are only matched by its ability to whisk you from neighbourhood to neighbourhood.

But I’m sad — it’s been over a decade since the Montreal Metro grew at all, and while Vancouver and Toronto (and Ottawa, as well as Edmonton) are all expanding their rail systems, Montreal is not. Everything I love about Montreal depends on the existence of efficient public transit, and when that system does not grow, the city itself that I love so much can’t grow around it.

Montreal Metro.

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The REM

Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you’ll know that Montreal — and Quebec — really only has one truly big public transit project, and that would be the REM: Montreal’s take on a system like the RER of Paris — mostly in terms of its regional scope. For less than $10 billion dollars, Montreal is getting 67 kilometres of new metro-style rail, with more modern fixings than any other system on this continent, and all in around a decade from announcement to people riding trains. It’s a project that will have an impact almost as enormous as the metro, but the project has not been welcomed.

Inside a Montreal REM train.

The REM is a public-private partnership, although a variant that pushes the limits of “private”, since private profits in this case will fund the retirements of many Quebecers working in the public sector, whose pension fund CDPQ is funding and coordinating much of the project.

The discourse around the REM has always been frustrating and at times essentially anti-growth. There is far more discussion of what is being lost than what is being gained, like a rather rag-tag suburban rail line with service that would be considered bad in most of the world, or a rather unremarkable (in most major cities) tunnel that could be rather trivially duplicated if there was actually ever another serious project that needed it. And I fear there won’t be, because instead of talking about what more public transit would enable, the discourse all surrounds how bad it is that the public transit that Montreal is getting isn’t some imagined better project that was never built in the decades preceding. Instead of imagining big things and proposing better projects, it seems the editorial set in Montreal is mostly happy to complain about the one thing actually being built.

There was actually a second REM line proposed, one that would have given Montreal a rail transit system that could trade blows with Toronto or Chicago. But, the idea that part of the route might be built elevated was treated as an unthinkable atrocity — while central parts of Paris, Berlin and London seems to manage with trains that glide above the streets, this was unacceptable in Montreal. The project’s cancellation has left us with an apparently “acceptable” status quo where riders who might have benefited from the Eastern REM can hop on a slow unreliable bus, or more likely get in their car. The most intellectually insulting transit meeting I think I have ever been in was one talking about how the replacement for the Eastern REM would cost $30+ billion dollars because it was unacceptable for it to not be buried everywhere, including next to industrial sites and oil refineries (I am not kidding). But hey, at least a giant highway running through the centre of the metropolis has been saved! As that great quote goes, “a fool knows the price of everything and the value of nothing”.

The Blue Line Extension

Fortunately, there is actually another project — the blue line of the metro, which if it’s actually completed will be among the most expensive metro projects ever constructed. And this is a project that travels through the northeast of Montreal, not under the high rises of Hong Kong or the historic buildings of Paris.

The Blue line has been promised and never delivered more times than most would like to count, and while it seems like it might really get built this time, the project is being crippled with bad ideas. While Paris has not automated two of its oldest metro lines dating a century old (Lyon is also gradually automating it’s metro system), the STM sees no need to do the same on the Blue line as they undertake an expensive refit of its signalling system and infrastructure. While so much of what makes the Montreal Metro great is that it was built standing on the shoulders of the earlier Paris system, the Montreal of today seems to have no interest in what the great cities of the world are doing.

A Montreal Metro Blue line train.

So Montreal is maybe getting an extension of the Blue line, albeit one that is worse in most ways than what you might see in a truly world class transit city. And the price? It’s not just expensive, it’s stratospheric. The 5 new stations of the Blue line will cost almost as much as the entire REM, a project that had to build tens of kilometres of viaduct, new underground stations on the airport branch, and one of the deepest metro stations in North America at Edouard-Montpetit on its own. The crippling prices paid for this project get little attention, even as “pro-transit” commentators talk about the latest controversy with the only serious transit project Quebec is building — the REM — which has included the literal wires used to power trains. In Paris, the 200-kilometre new suburban metro network being mostly built underground costs around a quarter as much as the blue line.

Trams on the Brain

Since Montreal can’t build, those who want transit have mostly decided they need to lower their expectations: In this case, idolizing the tram systems that have been built across France, including in cities of just a few hundred thousand people.

But, the same crowd who decries the REM — a project actually being built, and at a fraction of the cost of any other — has not seriously analyzed the tram projects of France. Such projects are only possible because the effective state apparatus that lets Paris build metro for a fraction of the price of Montreal also lets France put a tram in small provincial cities at less than the cost of the Pie-IX BRT.

The impact of these systems is also not understood, in Paris, which has built 12 different tram lines since the 90s (12 more than the entire province of Quebec I’ll note) only manages to move a tiny fraction (3%) of public transport passengers on them.

So in Montreal, most discourse around rail transit is focused around solutions which are likely to only move a tiny portion of the population. Now of course some trams would be nice! But there is far too little attention paid to local intellectuals like Marco Chitti who actually talk about how Montreal could learn from Europe to build effective trams, much like it once did with the metro.

Of course, when trams come into the picture, Quebec City has to come up. I was once excited that the city had aspirations to emulate the cost effectiveness and smart design of systems in Europe to actually show that Quebec was serious about investing in public transit. But, the usual things happened — only a single bidder showed up with trams on offer (something that may well be illegal in the EU), the city ok’d spending more on everything than comparable cities elsewhere would, the costs ballooned and the project was put on ice. It’s at this point that the onus should be placed on government — the one actor who seems at least slightly aware that paying billions on billions for tram lines is not tenable. Unfortunately, the government doesn’t seem to be doing much — mulling projects over, putting them into holding patterns, but not seriously questioning why nothing can be built. That uncertainty and the delays to projects only jacking up the prices further.

I can only ask; if the various politicians and “anti-REM pro-tram” academics actually want public transit, how can they also be okay with unfundable projects that won’t be done in time for their children’s children to ride? What’s the real atrocity, transit that people on the street can see above them (like in Vancouver, Hamburg, Amsterdam, Tokyo and more) or just… no transit? I’ve always considered moving to Montreal, but I am not sure I would fit in with the transit set, since I believe transit is great not in and of itself for aesthetic purposes, but because it enables mobility, social bonds, and connections.

Ontario

Fortunately, Quebec doesn’t need to look far to find a jurisdiction that is doing much better.

While Ontario does also struggle with a serious cost issue with its transit projects, to run you have to walk first. And while Quebec sits around talking about transit, Ontario is building the biggest transit expansion in the western world.

Since 2015, the province has opened a new tram system in Waterloo, as well as a subway extension, and airport train in Toronto (as well as the Ottawa Metro system, which has been a debacle — but a debacle that actually exists!). Improvements to the suburban trains around Toronto mean many residents can simply show up to a station any time of day and soon enough be on a train headed across the region at high speeds. Right now, three new tram lines are moving forward, as well as entirely new subway lines, three extensions, new trains for the network, new streetcar lines, and a transformation of the GO rail system into something like the Paris RER. The scope of these projects is enormous, and while the government of Ontario is putting up a lot of the money (10s of billions), so is the federal government. Quebec could also get some of that federal money if it could just decide to actually build something.

My hope has always been that Quebec would have to get very serious about building transit with Ontario doing so much next door, but that’s not happened. It seems that the unfortunate blindness to what is going wrong locally extends to a lack of awareness about what the neighbours are doing. While articles fly back and forth about where the first “tram that costs as much as a subway in a city serious about transit” gets built, nobody is pulling the alarm and singing from the rooftops about the crisis that is going on.

The Future

Now, I know this article has been candid about the problems facing Quebec, and that’s for good reason. The collectivist society that exists in the province and makes it such a great place is impossible to maintain without mass collective transport. Quebec can’t build and should accept this; and then fix it.

The causes of the construction cost crisis and the inability to plan for the future are obvious — the former issue has been studied in depth, while the latter is the result of no serious plan that actually gets executed. The original Montreal Metro worked and had a long term plan — the same should be true of the big future transit build Quebec needs.

In France, trams can be built at low cost because they are mostly standardized from city to city. The same agencies that can build a tram in Paris, can (and do) go build a tram in Lyon, or Toulouse (or overseas) — the engineers and planners are employed by the state with a good wage and know how to create a project, and layers upon layers of consultants are not needed. Once the capable public sector has drawn up detailed plans for what it needs, projects can be handed off to a functioning private sector where many players compete for the privilege to build projects: It’s not a case of having one bidder and handing the project to them.

If Quebec wants to get serious about public transit, it not only needs to figure out how to build, but it actually needs to build. If trams for Gatineau, Quebec City, and Montreal are something we want, plans should be drawn up to build them to the same standards, with the same vehicles and standardized requirements that allow for low-cost projects. There should be a pipeline into the future, so builders who jump into the market know that there is more money to be made in the future, and the planners and engineers of the province know that learning how transit is built is a smart career move for the future and won’t have to pack their bags for Ontario if they want to actually see something built.

Look at Hydro Quebec, a world leader in hydro power, transmission infrastructure, and the related fields of engineering — I’m not from Quebec, but I have pride knowing such a world class organization is Canadian! Quebec needs a Hydro Quebec but for transit, an organization that is lean but staffed up with engineers and planners who can take great ideas from around the world (and the rest of the country) and implement them in Quebec.

Now, maybe you take issue with the name of the article, but I think it’s perfect. Well yes Quebec is building one single large infrastructure project, the attitudes of both politicians and academics make it clear that this will be a one-time thing that’s not allowed to be repeated. When that one time thing is a cost-effective and timely project, you know things are headed in a disastrous direction.

I’ll likely write a further post about a transit and policy plan that could set Quebec on the right path — but until then, I hope you felt my frustration in this piece. Quebec is a great place, but that’s because brilliant people in the past made it so. If the province can’t build the infrastructure of the future, and if the academics and intellectuals of today can’t come up with more than rehashed metro extensions, and “trams like in Europe!”, the things that make the province great will slowly wash away.

37 responses to “Quebec Can’t Build Mass Transit”

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    1. Maybe I’m too much of an optimist, but for the first time I feel positive about getting transit in the region. There’s talks about trams on the south shore between Brossard and Longueuil, talk about trams along the Lachine canal and a new revised plan for a few lines in the east. Are they good potential plans at the moment? Probably not. However I see two optimistic paths:
      1: if a few projects are given the green light or at least at the conceptual level the green light, we might gain an economy of scale and hopefully have compatible systems around the region so we can use the same trains.
      2: people will finally see that the REM is great and they will want this instead of trams around the city!

      Again… Probably too optimistic but we are miles ahead of where we were a few years ago!

      1. I meant to post that at the top level not as a reply, sorry about that!

  2. Joël Collin-Demers Avatar
    Joël Collin-Demers

    Great article. Looking forward to your next “transit and policy plan” piece.

  3. The signs at the REM de l’Est protests were so bad they looked like a parody of car-centric thinking. With the evil elevated rail cars glaring down at the helpless and scared cars below. As a Montrealer I am hoping the REM is succesful and somehow changes peoples’ opinions. The elevation is the best part, especially over the canal.

    1. It’s just anti-urban!

      1. Affordable housing (owned rather than rented) is anti-urban. The desire to own property as both housing and investment free of Capital Gains Tax drives people to where there is space to build, and that is suburban.

  4. Actually, even though Hydro-Quebec is very successful by international standards, most of that is only one project (LG-2) and it seems the same forces preventing the REM from repeating itself also prevent LG-2 from repeating (the people are broadly against building more dams nowadays).

    There definitely is something special about the REM which is that even though it’s impossible to make the people happy with a new transit project, there we a few idealistic people who really tried before getting stopped. I note that it is funny that the ideology here was “let’s build a sane, financially responsible ambitious project, copying many aspects of international successes, and lets even make money doing it (although this is north-america)”.

    The forces against good public transit/good energy projects/good housing policy are strong here too like in the rest of north america. (it’s not really just NIMBY but, my brain has this broader category of NIMBY-ness). and that is sad.

    However, there is also a lot of idealism that departs or somewhat fights against this force, which I didn’t see in other north-american places nearly as much. And that is worth fighting for. after all the reason it is sad that the REM-de-l’est was cancelled is that it was a decent cost-effective project.

    Every time you talk about TRAMs and how people in Montreal want TRAMs, I get really confused. It might be only a fact about my social network, but I don’t know anybody who wants trams. I know a decent number who quietly support the REM and would like big, fast, reasonably priced world-class transit expansions. I know a lot who really support the bike-network expansion, and I have spoken to a few Nimbys who think the REM is the worst project in history and its so bad that they will never even try it.

    1. I mean look at all the talk there is about different tram lines in Montreal nothing has been built meanwhile the Metro clearly desperately needs to be expanded! Both in terms of new mileage and capacity in the core.

  5. Francois Laforge Avatar
    Francois Laforge

    I think that the short election cycle (4~5 years) and the parties in power alternate quite a bit (PQ, Liberal, PQ, Liberal, CAQ, etc..) means that no one has a long-term vision for the province. They’re only concerned with the next 5 years. What’s the point of making a plan that the next part in power will just cancel?

    There needs to be a more independent, province-wide, sustainably-funded transit authority that creates and maintains a long-term plan and hold the government to account when the plan is not followed or properly funded.

    1. The electoral issues are real but they don’t seem to be stopping Ontario from building transit. In fact the conservatives picked up right from where the Liberals left off

  6. @reecemartintransit pretty good timing, the ARTM just announced the worlds most expensive rail bus: https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2048245/tramway-est-montreal-rem-artm

  7. Ghislain Laframboise Avatar
    Ghislain Laframboise

    Most of the project in Montréal region are an extension here and a new line there in another words no global local view. Also we have never delimited the region of Montréal today we talk about the Greater Montréal Area without fixing it’s border of what is included in the Montréal area.

    When i saw people include the town of Mont-Tremblant in the laurentian region inside the Montréal Region a town 132 km north-west Of Downtown Montréal. There is a bus service starting at St-Jérome to Mont-Tremblant a train going From St-Jérome to Montréal which also have a bus service from Saint-Jérome to Laval (Montmorency) which is a station on the Métro de Montréal.

    Also i got complaints of local politicians who has no saying on the operation of the public Agency who got so big they operate over the head of the politician who are now stuck between the transit company and the citizen who claim more service. We got a huge mess. Montréal is probably not the only City in the world where too many chef that touch the soup. Should we have a JR east tyoe of company who controls all the passanger trains in eastern Canada. Ontario, Québec. New Brunswick and Nova Scotia with the exception of New Foundland and Labrador and Prince Edward Island (PEI). SHould we have an heavy Rail 10 cars double decker trains at la RER. going every 5-10 as the backbone of the Regional Transit Network with station separated every 3-5 km where the local bus network connects and Where each suburbs city core is located.
    We need a global vision of the regional for the public transit.

    1. A vision is absolutely needed!

    2. EVE-MARIE CHAMOT-GALKA Avatar
      EVE-MARIE CHAMOT-GALKA

      Hmmm:- “too many chefs that touch the soup” = “trop d’idiots qui pissent dans la soupe !”

  8. With the CAQ as government, and the CAQ having very little representation on the island of Montreal, they have very little inclination to do anything for Montreal as evidenced by their reluctant and dismal support of STM operating expenses. With Trams having to deal with street traffic, I am not convinced they are a good solution for Montreal; unless some streets had car traffic completely removed which I would imagine is a non-starter. It was super frustrating when NIMBYs cancelled the REM de l’Est; I live on the west island so it doesn’t affect me personally, but I know it would have made a huge difference for the eastern half of the island. What is also super frustrating is the recent billion dollar subsidy to Northvolt to build an EV battery plant with nary a penny for a big transit project. My final point; I am not informed enough to know why the projects, like the Blue Line extension, are as costly as they are here as compared to other Western cities.

    1. But it’s not just Montreal there’s not major transit being built anywhere in Quebec!

      1. Huu Vinh Khang Nguyen Avatar
        Huu Vinh Khang Nguyen

        I fully agree with your point that Quebec is way behind. I use the STM every day and the mediocrity of public transit is really the government not having enough leadership and competence to push projects like Rem de l’est.

        I do believe that in the near future, with a change of government, public transit construction and planning will boost across the province, especially with the new agency the government put in place to plan and build public transit projects.

        I think it’s important to have an optimistic view for public transit because it allows great projects to exist.

  9. I though this was a good piece all the way through, and then your conclusion absolutely hammered it home. A competent public planning apparatus that sees projects not as a goal, but a means to a defined end is so crucial. The part about standardizing really resonates as well. While Ontario is showing ambition with transit expansion in the GTA, execution seems problematic. The fact that the subway infrastructure, Streetcar infrastructure, and each of the new LRT lines are incompatible (despite sharing some vehicle models!) is mind boggling. So much additional facility space, staff training, all while making each line dependent on single manufacturers.

    1. They aren’t actually incompatible for the most part. For example all of the light rail lines can use the same vehicles!

  10. Absolute garbage article. You’ve obviously never taken public transit in Toronto. You are totally clueless, and your ignorance matches your ridiculous writing style. Find another line of work cause this isn’t working for you.

    1. Dude chill

    2. Hey there “Grumpy Grelber”, go piss somewhere else, ok?!

    3. Your criticism is off base. Your comments are not accurate and negativity is not welcome, specifically what is your area of expertise?

  11. The REM will be a project that in a decade or so everyone will love it and wonder why Montreal didn’t build more extensions.

  12. François Bédard Avatar
    François Bédard

    I’m from Laval and a few weeks after the REM opened, I went to try it on the south shore and really liked the experience. Much more comfortable than the subway, air-conditioned, smoother, can’t wait for it to come to Laval and later on also go to the airport. Yes there has been hiccups, but last I heard it still had over 99% uptime, a target the subway only wish it could achieve (To all those busy throwing rocks at the REM, if the news talked about every downtime of the subway, there wouldn’t be any time left to talk about anything else).

    Bringing the subway on topic, instead of waiting 30 years for any extension, how about having a plan of where it should go (Like close the orange line loop in Laval, extend in every direction), and follow it, by having a simple target: Inaugurate one new station every year. That would probably cost 2-3 billions a year, and as a collective, we can pay that. The upsides would be continuous improvement, and actual cost reduction because you always save money by building now rather than waiting 2-3 decades and suffer all the inflation that added up in the meantime, plus also some hope for mass transit users who would be given more options and service every year.

    As for Québec city, the not-in-my-backyard and you-won’t-take-me-out-of-my-pickup crowds appear to be on a winning streak, but maybe there could be a way to please both crowds. How about a bridge as 3rd link (Not a costly and stupid tunnel) with a structuring mass-transit reserved sectiin (Tram or REM-like, as on the Samuel-de-Champlain bridge), coming back on a replacement of one of the old existing bridges (Also with a reserved section) and crossing the whole of Québec city, effectively creating a loop encompassing both Québec and Lévis?

    I’m mesmerized that a new bridge for the 40 is being built without any reserved section for the REM to cross the river to Vaudreuil, which also illustrates a complete lack of vision.

    We built Hydro, we built the Metro (The whole orange line minus 3 stations and a good part of the other lines) in only 3 years in the ’60’s, and looking at how long it takes to get anything done these days it looks like we went from builders to whiners and pencil-pushers that can barely tie their own shoe laces, what a shame…

    1. The first metro plans in Montreal were created in 1910, but never built. Although I studied much of the history of the city, I don’t know why those plans were never executed. I know that Montreal had plans for a world fair for the 50th anniversary of Confederation, but that brought it to 1917, not a good year globally. Then they planned a world fair for the 300th anniversary of Montreal. Once again it was not a good year as it was 1942. The 3rd try at a world fair was for the centenary of Confederation in 1967. Success at last. It took about 50 years to get a world fair and to build the metro.

  13. Mark G Chiarella Avatar
    Mark G Chiarella

    The TTC (Totonto Transit Commisdion) system terrible. It’s obvious the author has never set foot in one station.

    1. Imagine thinking Reece Martin has never set foot in a TTC station…

  14. Agree with much of this, but ur being too negative. Despite lambasting rem issues, it is still being built. And delivering 65 km of subway like system jn less than a decade is a great achievement. Where you are 100 pc wrong is praise ontario. I live in Toronto and the eglinton lrt is disastrously delayed and over budget, Finch line is just a tram… and do not be increase by ontario line and Scarborough extension, they will not be delivered before 2035 to 2040 guaranteed abd the cost will balloon. Watch it. Don’t believe the propaganda, ontario is awful !

  15. In all fairness, when the elevated track was built in Berlin, times were _very_ different. I severely doubt something like that would be possible today.

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  17. Eve-Marie Chamot Avatar
    Eve-Marie Chamot

    You’re being a bit too harsh on “La Belle Province” by implying that they are a mob of useless Franco twits and “pea-soupers”:- you’re not old enough to remember Jean Drapeau, the “Human Bulldozer” who modernized Montreal and built a complete metro in hard bedrock unlike Toronto which had an emotional meltdown building just a short little subway line plus the “James Bay Project” was a huge project and where would the St Lawrence Seaway be without Beauharnois and the Lambert locks (?) so yes, les Quebecois can build big. The problem is one of creeping “populist kakistocracy” and an accumulation of urban idiots in municipal government which afflicts North American cities in general so this is very much a North American disease
    possibly associated with an aging urban population who just don’t want expensive new projects to accommodate unwanted urban growth and change. Check out the “New West Reset” videos such as for Montreal at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmVjFMaAy9c to see a much more dynamic and expansive Montreal and Canada in the 1920s and 1930s. Old cities such as Montreal and Toronto etc have reached the point of diminishing returns in their geographic growth and it’s time to build new cities in empty parts of Canada such as northern Ontario as per the Mid-Canada Corridor Plan based on the ideas of Louis-Edmond Hamelin and Richard Rohmer to accommodate all that youthful “Cosmo-Canadian” demographic energy being frustrated in senile old cities like Montreal and Toronto. Of course these places have long cold winters but hey “I’m a true Canadian, Winter is my home!”.

    1. Eve-Marie Chamot Avatar
      Eve-Marie Chamot

      Vous êtes un peu trop dur envers “La Belle Province” en laissant entendre que c’est une bande de franquistes inutiles et “les mangeurs de soupes aux pois”: – vous n’êtes pas assez vieux pour vous souvenir de Jean Drapeau, le “Bulldozer Humain” qui a modernisé Montréal et construit un métro complet sur un substrat rocheux contrairement à Toronto qui a connu une crise émotionnelle en construisant juste une petite ligne de métro et le “Projet de la Baie James” était un projet énorme et que serait la Voie maritime du Saint-Laurent sans Beauharnois et les écluses de Lambert ( ?) alors oui, les Québécois peuvent construire grand. Le problème est celui d’une « kakistocratie populiste » rampante et d’une accumulation d’idiots urbains au sein du gouvernement municipal qui afflige les villes nord-américaines en général. Il s’agit donc d’une maladie vraiment nord-américaine.
      peut-être associé à une population urbaine vieillissante qui ne veut tout simplement pas de nouveaux projets coûteux pour s’adapter à une croissance et à des changements urbains indésirables. Regardez les vidéos « New West Reset » comme pour Montréal sur https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmVjFMaAy9c pour voir un Montréal et un Canada beaucoup plus dynamiques et expansifs dans les années 1920 et 1930. Les vieilles villes comme Montréal et Toronto, etc. ont atteint le point de rendement décroissant dans leur croissance géographique et il est temps de construire de nouvelles villes dans des régions vides du Canada comme le nord de l’Ontario, conformément au plan du corridor du centre du Canada basé sur les idées de Louis- Edmond Hamelin et Richard Rohmer pour accommoder toute cette énergie démographique « cosmo-canadienne » juvénile qui est frustrée dans les vieilles villes séniles comme Montréal et Toronto. Bien sûr, ces endroits ont des hivers longs et froids, mais bon “Nous sommes de vrais Canadiens, l’Hiver est notre maison !”.

      1. Quebec is going to become the backwater of North America..no one wants to invest in la belle province…the laws…the protectionism….the hatred for anything not Quebecois….they have it all and piss it away….the most corrupt place to live in.

  18. Mitchell Leitman Avatar
    Mitchell Leitman

    I stand to be corrected, but I believe that CDPQ also manages the Quebec equivalent of the CPP, so in other words, not just the retirement funds of Quebec public service works, but all Quebecers.

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